that the administration has put in place they haven't bunged the needle at all. participation rate is now less than it was when obama took office. less than it was in january january 62009. unproiment rate including people that have stopped looking for jobs. it's actually higher than when he was inaugurated. >> tell us why this ends up being great economic news for the country because we have unemployment number going back up yet there was job growth. 160,000 or so per month but not really up at that 300,000 you really need 270, 280, 300,000 level to see a real robust recovery. >> it's not great economic news. i'm glad gather mentioned that u 6 number because, in fact, these unemployment statistics way under estimate the number of people out of work there are a lot of people who are discouraged. this is, you know, the same story we have been seeing for the last couple of years. which is, you know, employers are not hiring. and a big reason for that is consumers don't have money. and why don't consumers have money? well, big reason is because they have not been seeing their incomes go up. why haven'